Craigslist Scammer, A Close Call

By Pinyo, on August 11, 2008

Since I write about selling unused stuff on Craigslist and eBay, I just want to share my recent experience with you. Basically, you have to be careful with who you are dealing with when you are selling in these online markets. There are a lot of scammers in these marketplaces and you don’t want to end up as a victim.

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My close call with a Craigslist scammer

After listing an item on Craigslist for about a day, I received the following email:

Thanks for the response.I am willing to pay your asking price. I will pay by money order as its the only way i can pay you at the moment. I will make arrangement for the pick-up after payment have been received by you. I dont mind adding an extra twenty dollars so you can keep it in my favor. Reply with your full name, cell phone number, and address where payment should be sent. Please take the posting off craigslist today and consider it sold to me.

Expecting to hear from you soon.

It seems fine when I read it, but in the back of my mind I was wondering why the buyer didn’t simply offer to pay when he picks up the item. Why send money order first then arrange a pick up later?

Then a few days later, I got this email:

I have given my assistant the go ahead to mail payment to you. You should receive payment within the coming week (6-7days time). Once payment is received we can proceed with the pickup. Thanks for your understanding and patience.

I thought, okay this guy must be a big shot because he’s having his assistant making arrangement for his personal purchases on Craigslist.

And a few days later, I received this email:

I hope you are fine and alright. I have been busy myself but doing great. There is something i think i must bring to your notice. After a reconciliation of my account, i discovered that somehow my assistant must have over paid you. The payment that was meant for another transaction was sent to you and the one meant for you was sent to another, however i want to believe i wont have a problem with you. Please once you receive your payment, i would like you to deduct your money and send the remaining via money gram to my daughter so she can settle some of her pressing needs and also reactivate my Fed ex account. I will provide the info you need to complete the money gram transfer once you receive payment. Thanks once again for your understanding.

Okay, at this point, red flags were going up everywhere — overpayment, subtle threat, money gram to someone else, etc. I doubt I will see the money order, and it’s will be fake if I do get one. If you do receive a check or money order from these scammers, do not try to cash it. When the bank finds out, it will hold you responsible. For example, here’s a news story of a man who was arrested and jailed for trying to cash one of these checks.

How to avoid scams and fraud

Here’s a good article from Craigslist on avoiding scams and fraud:

Deal locally with folks you can meet in person – follow this one simple rule and you will avoid 99% of the scam attempts on Craigslist.

Never wire funds via Western Union, MoneyGram or any other wire service - anyone who asks you to do so is a scammer.

Fake cashier checks & money orders are common, and banks will cash them and then hold you responsible when the fake is discovered weeks later.

Never give out financial information (bank account number, social security number, eBay/Paypal info, etc.)

Avoid deals involving shipping or escrow services and know that only a scammer will “guarantee” your transaction.

Who should I notify about fraud or scam attempts?

FTC toll free hotline: 877-FTC-HELP (877-382-4357)

FTC online complaint form (www.ftc.gov)

Canadian PhoneBusters hotline: 888-495-8501

Internet Fraud Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov)

Non-emergency number for your local police department.

It’s unfortunate that these lowlifes are everywhere. However, I still believe in using eBay and Craigslist to buy and sell used items. It’s up to you to learn how to detect these scams and to defend yourself.

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40 Comments

Tom
August 11, 2008, 10:52

As a word of caution I would also set up a seperate email account on craigslist. I get spammed now on my main email account thanks to craigslist. Spammers are constantly looking for email addresses through sites like this one.
fern
August 11, 2008, 10:59

Great post, and the earlier poster’s comment about using a separate email account is great advice as well.

when i initially posted a few things for sale on craigs list, i got a few people asking me to ship the item to them. I refused, and now i state at the end of every posting that “You must live locally to pick up.” That sentence has totally eliminated potential scams involving shipment, although i’ve still had 1 or 2 no-shows.
Emily
August 11, 2008, 11:11

Thanks for pointing this out. I’ve gotten the same type of e-mails when listing things for sale on Craigslist. Most are obviously scams (odd language, strange requests) but this guy’s first e-mail to you, and even the second, seem somewhat legit. Especially because there aren’t any typos. It can be hard to tell with the good scammers, but I definitely think Craigslist has set aside some good guidelines. Avoid the money orders — just deal with locals who can pay in cash. Also, meet in public places if you can.
The Frugal Momma
August 11, 2008, 11:15

Yikes, it really does take all kinds.
Steward
August 11, 2008, 11:18

I recently posted something on Craigslist and got no offers. I wasn’t overpriced (I think), but had to get ride of the item because I was moving and needed it out of the apartment. About how long does it normally take for you to get something sold on Craigslist?
james paulsen
August 11, 2008, 13:04

For local contractors, I tend to prefer Angie’s List. They have ratings and reviews at least. Sucks that you have to pay though. Here’s a good overview of the service: http://gabwith.us/angies-list-.....ntractors/
PT
August 11, 2008, 13:24

I would add that you might want to meet them somewhere besides your home for smaller items. You don’t want these people knowing where you live.
Jake
August 11, 2008, 14:21

This is a classic scam where you’re overpaid, asked to cash, return the difference, and -you’re right- you’re left with fraud/bad check. Frequently, sadly, there’s some reference to Nigeria (or at least somewhere far away), involves an assistant, language in the email perhaps indicates a non-native English speaker, etc. As you said, you can unfortunately end up being accused of check fraud if you cash such a check or MO. Sad but LOTs of folks have fallen for this ruse.

Report this emailer to Craigslist. They can involve the FBI and catch the group–it IS an organized scam!
chris
August 11, 2008, 20:20

I am selling junk on craigslist, including a large piece of furniture. I have received one of these offers each week that I renew my high priced item. I always write back and tell them to take a flying leap and go try to scam someone else, because I’m not dealing with them. Craigslist = cash and carry.
Pinyo
August 11, 2008, 21:29

@Tom – Great idea. I should have thought of that.

@Fern – Yeah, looks like cash and local pick up is the best policy. It’s a shame that the net is plagued by these scammers.

@Emily — That’s another good tip…meet in public location. This way they don’t know where you live.

@Steward — It has been hit or miss for me. I use it secondary to eBay because it’s free.

@Jake — I can forward the email to Craigslist. I am not sure it will do much.
tiffanie
August 12, 2008, 10:32

It always amazes me how many people try to get away with things like this. I worked in a retail store where customers would come in to cash money orders that were fake, and they didn’t even know it! They would then explain how they got a letter to cash the money order, keep a portion and then send the rest to another address. Classic. But some people don’t know any better and free money sounds too good to pass up.

Thanks for the heads up.
Dawn
August 13, 2008, 15:55

Thanks for the tip! I haven’t used CraigsList yet, I sell to people on eBay. But this is good information for future reference!
Linda
August 14, 2008, 12:30

Ah…a new angle at money laundering…
Jeff in PDX
August 14, 2008, 15:16

This is the oldest scam in the book. Do a google search and you will find plenty more.
Mrs. Micah
August 17, 2008, 10:12

One of my friends works in a bank and she gets a number of people who come in with the fake money orders. In many cases they haven’t yet sent goods or cash or anything, so the scammer hasn’t gotten anything from them. And she explains the scam to them. Depends on the variant, I guess.
frugal zeitgeist
August 17, 2008, 14:58

Check out http://www.scamorama.com for lots of very, very detailed information on scam artists and how to avoid them. Some people actually engage in long correspondence with these people in hopes of protecting potential victims by wasting enormous amounts of the scammers’ time. Not my cup of tea, personally, but very enlightening.
Pinyo
August 17, 2008, 16:36

@Tiffanie — Thank you for sharing your story. Yeah, it’s ashame that these scammers are running rampant.

@Dawn — I believe there are scammers on eBay as well. Although I haven’t run into one yet.

@Mrs. Micah — At least your friend understand the situation and doesn’t simply call security to have the customer arrested.

@Frugal Zeitgeist — Wow, a blog dedicated to the art of scamming.
Patrick
August 21, 2008, 6:56

I just got this exact set of emails for a drum set

“On Aug 18, 2008, at 4:32 PM, “Mr.John Smithson” wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for the response.I am willing to pay your asking price.I will pay
by money order as its the only way i can pay you at the moment.I will make
arrangement for the pick-up after payment have been received by you. I dont
mind adding an extra twenty dollars so you can keep it in my favor.Reply with
your full name,cell phone number,and address where payment should be
sent.Please take the posting off craigslist today and consider it sold to me.
Expecting to hear from you soon.
Regards”
Pinyo
August 22, 2008, 17:56

@Patrick — I’m glad you figured it out.
DB Smith
October 9, 2008, 13:49

Pinyo,

I have a transaction in progress on Craigslist that it pretty much identical. Even the emails you received are word for word matches for the emails I got from this “buyer”

Even though I answered one of the emails telling him bluntly that I felt he was a scammer, he sent the money orders. Three $850 MOs on a $300 purchase.

I googled the return address from the envelope, and it appears to be a home that is for sale.

I intend to take the MOs to the bank and ask them to help me verify that they are fakes. I will also be alerting the local Police Department.

The email address he used is a Yahoo.com account, and so it probably can’t be traced. I may not be able to nail this guy, but I’ going to give it my best shot.

DB
KK
October 24, 2008, 23:31

I fell for this one =( but im gonna do what DB Smith did. The scammer said exactly what you had posted i havent gotten the third one to wire transfer it to his daughter he went by the name Jeff Turner.
Pinyo
October 26, 2008, 13:09

@KK — As long as you didn’t ship the item, cash the fake MO, or wire the money to him, then there’s no harm done yet. Just report his email to Craigslist and step away.
C.S.
November 24, 2008, 18:35

We recently had a person respond to one of our ads, posted on Craigslist. Although we specified this was a cash transaction only and the item was sold to a local buyer. The guy had the nerve to send a “scam” form e-mail, asking questions on where to mail and make out the Cashier’s check for.
I felt it was odd and I will admit that I got a little annoyed, with the fact that the person responding failed to read that we only accepted cash.

When the other e-mail came, regarding his secretary had made the Cashier’s Check including the shipping amount, that’s when the ‘Red Flags’ went off.

First off, a Cashier’s check is obtain from a bank or other financial institute. We never discussed shipping and to know how much an item would cost to have shipped, you would need to know the weight. He (I am assuming was a he), stated that he would have his movers come pick up the bed. Also, he had included with the e-mail, regarding the error his secretary made when issuing the “Cashier’s” check, he also stated that he would send instructions to us, once we cash the “Cheque”, as he later spells it, on how to get the additional funds needed, to us.

We responded with this:

It has come to my attention that you are trying to commit fraud. See the below link featuring the text of your first correspondence word for word that someone received in 2005.

http://forums.somethingawful.c.....id=2978035

Further, this type of scam is well documented online. For further details check out the following link on Cashier Check Fraud.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/cashier.asp

Please discontinue any future contact.

He has not responded since the last scheme e-mail. Feel free to copy and paste my response of catching him in a scam.
Jimmy
February 16, 2009, 12:39

I have a friend who wa also arrested sellling something on craigslist and going thru the same hassle.. arrested, name in paper with article making them look HORRIBLE.. never been in trouble in her life.. It cost her her job and nearly her family.. The thing that really irritates me, this has bene going on for SOOOOO long now and they are no closer to catching/stopping this than they were on day one.. what the heck are they REALLY doing to stop this? cause with today’s technology, this should have bene busted looong ago..
sheryl
March 1, 2009, 20:39

We’re trying to sell a car locally through Craig’s List. First time we have ever tried to do this. With all of these scams, I’m trying to figure out how we should take payment should someone want to buy our car. I find it hard to believe someone would bring $10,000 in cash … how do we protect ourselves and yet sell our car?
Ruth Shapovalov
March 9, 2009, 3:12

I responded to two of these scam mails this week, and we’ll see how it goes. I used the name and address of the local Sheriff rather than my own. So the local law enforcement will receive the checks directly, presumably. Should make for an interesting little investigation. Maybe I’m crazy…
Pinyo
March 9, 2009, 12:07

@Ruth – I don’t know if that’s a good idea. This could get you in trouble with misusing law enforcement officer’s contact information.
Ruth
March 9, 2009, 12:26

Pinyo – I thought about that as I did it, however I simply directed it to the sheriff in the county in which I ran the ad, with the business address of the police department headquarters. It’s certainly public information, and would not be an unusual thing to have mail delivered to the headquarters to the attention of the current sheriff. I asked each of the scammers to note on the check that it was for the purchase of the item on Craigslist, and I do intend to pass the information on to both law enforcement offices should the two scammers advise me that they are going to mail or send the checks. So far no follow ups indicating this. Having worked in law enforcement for over ten years, I’m pretty comfortable doing what I did. I know the detectives got a big kick out of it when I brought in a cashiers check my son received as a “close call” victim of a Craigslist scam back in the early 2000’s. Thanks for the concern.
Marion McDonnell
April 10, 2009, 21:31

I was asked to accept my price plus $70, and a currier would come and pick up the merchandise. I was instructed to give my full name, my full address, city, state and zip code and phone number. After the information was received, his “secretary”would proceed with the issuance of a check. He goes on to say to remove the ad from craigslist, as he added $70.00 to the price to assure he would be the one to get it as a surprise to his in-laws.
Pinyo
April 11, 2009, 1:17

@Marion – Unfortunately, you are in the process of being scammed. That sounds very similar to how mine went.
sue
April 19, 2009, 0:53

I was also scammed, my husband and I had just moved here from Japan and unfortunately we had run in to many legal problems and could not get a lawyer for many reasons but we were very desperate, I had never used the internet but my husband had wrote about our story asking if any one knew what we could do? and about a year had gone by when i got an email from this guy saying he could help that he worked for a company called, prepaid lawyer & they were were based out of Florida, we talked online a few times then exchanged #s and address i was excited we talked many times and he even mailed me contract papers & business cards with the with the company’s information on it to be honest he completely had me so excited i never even thought of it being a scam i sent him a money order for $500.00 that was my first payment and was to send many more that was just to assure me that i will always have a lawyer on hand any reason needless to say when i tried to call for one it was all a lie. but what really got me was he kept calling many times for 2nd 3rd payments or my contracts a void .all i can say about him what a lowlife to use people that way.
Jaime Valencia
May 11, 2009, 12:29

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Karen
July 4, 2009, 13:43

Thanks for the tip. I received the EXACT same e-mail from someone about something I was selling word for word! Luckily, I was smart enough to ask the person to give me their cell phone # or contact # and I didn’t give out any of my information. Obviously, never heard back from them. Craigs list is great as long as your are careful and only deal with people locally. You just have to be careful and consider what you do before you respond.
michelle
July 30, 2009, 4:07

can you help me?

i just recd an email from a guy this week wanting to buy my used furniture, my first craigslist sale ever.

he wanted my name and address (to pick up the item) and for me to “remove my ad and consider is sold” then, he says his “boss will need my full name to write a check” i gave him my husbands name and our address, like a moron, and now he sends this disturbing email saying “i know what you are up to so you better not contact me again or i will call the authorities.” i should have just left him alone, but now it was a little threatening so i did not want to tick off a guy who has my address,so i said that “ben” was my husband and i was not up to anything, then he says, “ok consider it sold…my shipping co will contact you”

which they did, will misspelled words and bad grammar, i emailed him asking him questions about this transaction and of course he does not respond, i email the shipping co as they asked me for the weight of the items etc. with questions, they do not respond either.

i email him back asking him that unless he answers my questions, i am canceling this sale, all he says is “too late, i already sent the check”

no check has arrived, its been 1-2days.

i do not plan to do anything with this check. am i safe? did they use my husbands name and address for anything? is that what they wanted? help:(
Pinyo
July 30, 2009, 8:13

@Michelle – just forget it ever happened and let life goes on. I doubt he’s even in the States. If the check arrive, destroy it or take it to the police if you want to. Sell your furniture to someone else.
ruth
December 5, 2009, 12:59

I just rec’d one of these letters that everyone is talking about. I didn’t know anything about the scamming. I responded giving address, name, and phone number, but something just didn’t sound or feel right about it. So I found the fraud and scamming warning on craigslist, and the same letter almost word for word was in there sample letters. I then wrote back to the person saying I want cash and I am willing to meet them to exchange the item for cash only. Do I have a problem with giving the info that I already gave?
Sis
January 3, 2010, 17:41

You mean if I received a check or moneyorder and cashed it or cleared it in my checking account it still could be no good and my bank or where I cashed it could get (me!!!) in trouble? I guess I’m waiting for a fraud check from a Mr. Robin Lee wanting to buy all my stuff on craigslist for $415.00. what should I do.
Pinyo
January 3, 2010, 17:56

If you think it’s a scam, call the FTC and ask them what to do with the check.
Daryl
January 22, 2010, 0:09

Ok this just happened to me about 4 hours ago. Read all this please. Also, it’s a response from craigslist.

Good day

Let me know if you are capable of repairing computers in volumes

Steve

Ok he just wants to know if I repair computers in volumes. Harmless so far.

I got pentium IV dell laptops for repair and am located in Utah, installation and upgrade . Below are the things needed to be done one on each laptops.

1 Format Hard Drive
2 Instal Win Xp with Service Pack 2
3 Microsoft Office Package
4 AVG Virus Software (Free Lifetime Updates)
5 Adobe Acrobat
6 Laptop Cleaning of the keyboard, screen and other case.
7 Diagnostics of the entire system after to check hard, cdrom, floppy, etc.

Get back to me with your total cost for the services of 7 units. I will pay you with a certified check.I await your urgent response so that i can make Moving arrangements and payment as soon as possible.

Hmmm, alot of words and grammar are wrong.

Thanks for the reply.I have all the necessary softwares needed for the service installations…Let me know the final asking price of my jobs.. I will instruct my secretary to prepare a check for you on your name and address . Do send me details below
Full Name:
Address:
City:
State:
Zipcode:
Cell phone #:
so as to prepare the check and shipping of the laptops to your address.Once the check has been deliver to you,deduct your actual price and send the remaining balance to my shipper. i have a reliable shipper that will pickup the computers when you are done with the repairs. Let me know if you are confortable with it .I will be looking forward to hear from you,so we can have the payment mail out asap.

Thanks

Steve

Ok I responded with asking him for his information and received this:

Steve Johnson
3530 N.W. 213th Street
Miami Gardens, Fl 33056
615 866 2462

Ok let’s look at this.
1. He said he was from Utah.
2. Gave me a Florida address.
3. 615 is in Tennessee.

Wow. This scammer is a really dumb one. I guess he doesn’t think about people looking up his info and maybe alot don’t. But I did and caught him in his scam
bbb
January 31, 2010, 21:29

I get emails from these scammers all the time and I always play with them. I accept their offer and they send me the fake check (at their expense); I make up a 10 digit Western Union number and tell them I’ve sent their “excess” money to a Western Union office about 50 miles from the one they asked for (sorry my mistake, I must have transposed your zip code!). They make the drive to find out there is no money waiting for them so they email me again very confused and insistent (exactly what I wanted). I tell them I’ll try again and send it to another office. I do this until they get pissed off then I send them a degrading email about how stupid their scam is. Yes, this is juvenile but it brings me pleasure and if I can inconvenience these people and cause them to waste some of their time and money then fantastic.

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